Hey, some interesting things that made me go "Hmmmmmmmm; COHEN-cidence?"...
Chronological (as best as I can, so it makes sense)
Gen 1:27-28 has God creating man-kind and commanding them to multiply and fill the earth... yet in Gen 2, UNLESS they sinned and fell from glory, they (ADAM + woman) would never fulfill this commandment! Is God a liar? NO! Gen 27-28 are NOT ADAM + Woman, they are common (non spirit-breathed) 'man', not Adamites!
Gen 2 documents the creation of a spirit-breathed Adam(ite) which God chooses to commune with ALONE (not with all the other man-kinds)... This is reinforced by God saying that he could eat of EVERY tree (except the tree of knowledge of good AND evil) - this again excludes Adam from the Gen 1:27-28, where he said man-kind can eat of ALL the trees/plants "on the face of the EARTH" (in contrast to the 'garden' which Adam would care for, east of Eden)
The first lineage recorded of Adam/Adamites(Isrealites) only happens AFTER the fall, so filling the earth would be impossible in perfect-eternal-youth, fixed size and location of the garden of Eden.
Gen 2:7 God forms Adam and breaths life into him, and THEN forms the garden and THEN "forms all the beasts of the field" (which in fact means that Adam was formed well BEFORE the 6th day!)... These 'beasts' (lower IQ beings) and other 'animals' (lacking the spirit) were broght form and paraded before Adam to see what he would call them... and 'lo and behold' (in passing, it is mentioned that) there were NONE suitable to be a helper/help-mate (biological life partner) for Adam! - NO, God does not promote (or TEMPT) with bestiality!
Speaking of 'beasts'... satan soon gets a scriptural 'back-hander', when he is referred to as being 'more crafty than the beasts of the field' - this 'beasts of the field' keeps occurring throughout scripture (do a word-search) which indicates that they can; speak, have hands, etc (ie they are NOT 'animals', but 'beasts'/'brutes'/'savages' in the truest sense.
Woman is "wholey SEDUCED" by 'the shining one' (satan). It is described in "song of Solomon" that the king's wife 'delighted' to sit 'under his bough' and 'taste' of his 'fruit'... All through the scripture, 'tree' is (mostly) used to represent a person/people/nation, but particularly a singular PERSON, as described by Christ, stating that an 'AXE is laid at the base of EVERY TREE and the TREES who do NOT bear fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire!'... so, it is NOT difficult to see the link with the 'tree' and 'fruit', explained BY scripture.
Woman 'partakes' and 'knows' satan in a carnal sense, and then shares her new-found fun-act with her TRUE husband, Adam... Only THEN do they understand what they have done (as Adam's spiritual 'authority' and 'covering' was voided by this act of promiscuity/adultery)
Everyone fesses up (note: satan IS present - ie can't hide from God, which is similar to the account in the first part of the book of Job, where the 'sons of God' (angelic beings) come to give report to God, and RIGHT THERE is satan also! - rank is retained, until Christ ENDS the war?)
Gen 3:14 satan is adminstered direct punishment: you(singular) are cursed more than all livestock and more than every 'BEAST of the field' (note: livestock is NOT beasts!) and told he will 'eat dust all the days of your life' - interesting side note: Adam was formed from the dust, and to dust we all return...? (reference to the dead? - I don't know)
Gen 3:15 declares war between the seed of satan (Cain) and the seed of the woman (Abel/Seth/etc until the fulfillment:Christ)... This is DONE due to the dual impregnation (
note: Cain tilled the ground, Abel was a shepherd of sheep.
Gen 3:16 has the KEY: "I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception - bring forth children in pain. [ -> here it is -> ] And your DESIRE* shall be for your HUSBAND*, and he does rule over you**"...
* The punishment fits the crime: It was all about DESIRE(the counterfeit was LUST) for your HUSBAND (not some 'shiny' talkative NON Adamite!)
** You WILL submit(sexually) to him (your husband) and NO OTHER!
Adam names his 'deceived but forgiven wife' "Eve" as she would be the mother of all LIVING (has the breath of LIFE from God in them; unlike the beasts of the field) - note Christ comes to judge the "living and the dead" ... interesting?
Gen 4:1 'states' that Adam has intercourse with 'Eve', and Eve bears two beings: one 'mamser' (aka mixed seed/abomination) and another; and Adamite. (mentioned earlier).... Q: God being JUST and all; Is it intrinsically Cain's fault for his existence? (no).
Chronological interception here:
Important to note, as the following sequence is not chronologically identical and is a TYPE of the fall, it also substitutes Adam's failed role with that of a successful Christ, but uses the same events (ie ~ redone/fixed a crisis): Matthew 13:23-24 Christ "The reign of the heavens has become like a man who sowed good seed in his field [Adam+woman], but while men slept [Adam was not with woman at the time], his enemy cam and sowed darnel [which looks like wheat, right up until the harvest time! - ie synagogue of satan] among the wheat and went away [God judged satan for this single act and declared WAR]."
Mat 13:37 Christ: "He who is sowing the good seed is the Son of Adam [Christ] and the field is the world. And the good seed is the sons of the reign, but the darnel as the sons of the wicked one," 39 "and the enemy who sowed them is the devil." ... pretty darn(pun) obvious here!
Luke 15:11 (lets find out more about Cain and Able) - short version:
A 'certain man' (first Adamite father) having two sons (notice how whites are ready to adopt bastard sons and treat them fairly? unlike 94% of the rest of the world?), the younger (ABEL was second born - Note: God favours the second born!) said "give me my inheritance" and left to enjoy life in a nearby CITY. He was POPULAR in this city, until a famine hit - his riches ran out and he was feeding PIGS (unclean animals) just to get by. He comes to his senses, realises that he has SINNED against the HEAVEN(race mixing?) and BEFORE you(God) and has JUSTLY LOST his 'sonship' but he knows that he is still far better off at home with his father (even as a lowly sevant) and returns to repent in full.
His father sees him off in the distance, and RUNS to meet him (God actively welcomes HIS truly REPENTANT children back) and places on him a robe(of kin-ship righteousness/family/tribe) and ring(family Authority over assets) and sandals(peace with God), then they throws on a barbecue to eat and rejoice - and OFFER SACRIFICE for the remission of SIN! (first EVER recorded by Adamites!) BECAUSE "this SON of MINE was DEAD but is ALIVE again!" says the father(God).
The 'elder' brother was out IN THE FIELD (Cain was a tiller) and heard the commotion, asking a servant, the reply was "your brother has returned" ... he(CAIN) was WROTH and would NOT come in to the family group to celebrate! ... so his father came out to PLEAD with him:
He (Cain) complains that he has served all these years and never sinned (a lie) but you never held a celebration for me, but this 'son of yours' [possible indication that he is an ADOPTED SON] gets to squander your wealth and you accept him back with celebration! (boo hoo)
The father responds with "you are always with me, what is mine is yours, but we HAD to rejoice because your brother WAS DEAD and is now alive, was LOST and now is found".
Returning to Gen record here:
Gen 4:3... "and it came to be, in the course of time" (after Abel lived it up in sin and then returned) that Cain brings an offering, Abel brings an offering, Abel's is accepted (as it was a SIN offering and the FIRST of its kind). God accepts Abels offering (sin is forgiven - it is placed on the future promised sacrifice of Christ)... Cain gets pissed off and is "very WROTH"
Now for some wild, never repeated, post-fall, one-on-one encounter with God WITHOUT any 'covering' or 'sacrifice' stuff, which is VERY reminiscent of satan being in God's presence when the 'certain time' occured for the 'sons of God' to present themselves before the LORD....
Gen 4:6-7 "And the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you wroth? And why is your face fallen? If you do well, is there not acceptance?And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should master it"
Another version of that text: "If you do what is appropriate, you'll be accepted, won't you? But if you don't do what is appropriate, sin is crouching near your doorway, turning toward you. Now as for you, will you take dominion over it?"
... GOD ... gives CAIN a -> one-on-one personal message <- do what is RIGHT and you will NOT become devoured by the DARK SIDE of you DUAL NATURE! (do not kill your half-brother - the true seed of Adam!)
To my knowledge this NEVER occurs elsewhere (God himself stopping to take the time to address a bad attitude), especially not carefully uninvited, to a petulant adult 'man'. Unless you connect the dots: CAIN is the father of the pharisees (these smurfs who say they are of God, but are of the devil:
But Cain gets pissed, turns completely over to satan (his true father) and commits the first murder and slays the (made)righteous Abel....
AGAIN God makes a personal house-call: Cain refutes being his kinsman-brother! ("I am not my brother's keeper") when asked where Abel is...
God declares that the EARTH is CURSED for ALL of Cain's descendants (note, no history to my knowledge records 'dark skinned' people being chiefs at cultivation, like the european's or without the white skinned people's continual help : see Rhodesian history for one)
Then in MERCY (for Cains desperate report that the 'OTHERS' (at least a whole city worth of man-kind) would seek revenge for slaying their pal, Abel ... God marks him (dark skin?) to ensure all do not slay him.
Cain goes out and makes wives of the many man-kind females, then eventually his grandson builds a whole city (gives you an idea that there is plenty of these man-kinds out there to help build it)
Gen 4 then tells us Adam and Eve get it on and bear Seth.
Gen 5 then documents the GENEOLOGY of ADAM (incase you mis-understood it) and makes ZERO reference to Cain (who HAS a lineage recorded SEPARATE to the Adamites!) and does not mention Abel as he had no lineage due to murder.
That's about it for now - I might continue with other tid-bits (as best I can) later to track these satanic sons of satan who pose and live it up as the 'chosen ones'*, screeching at all and sundry to submit to their shrieking and consistent calls of anti-smurf! anti-smurf! (as if it is a bad thing) in more modern times.
I hope this helps someone out there, it has taken me some time to come to this place and i have not done it full justice - text can be mistaken when read and somethings I may have not explained well enough. Please be graceful and I am happy to answer any issues if I have the time and if it is constructive. I am still finding truth in the Word, despite the last 500 years of planned darkness over the truth seekers and those hired shepherds out there.
*chosen for the 'BIG OVEN'.
(I can't edit this ^ after a period of time)
Mark of Cain could be one or ALL of the following, incomplete list:
1) A HUGE honker (rhinoplasty* uses the word RHINO for a reason)
2) Greasy hairdo
3) Beady darting eyes
4) Hands that must be rubbed together
5) A willingness to sacrifice their children to Molok
6) A desire to degenerate all others around them
7) A desire to sacrifice (horrifically) all of the Adamites (especially their young children)
8) A burning desire to corrupt and destroy the pure genetics of the Adamites for ever
9) Ability to out-shriek and bombard with insults (not actually argue) with anyone who SLIGHTLY disagrees with them
10) Claim to be the absolute outstanding and excellent beyond all of creation's worth, the absolute shining epitome of God's creation (with all the above, and a lot worse more)
* Rhinoplasty is a favorite method of these demonic-monsters to conceal their shockingly obvious mark, while posing as the true children of God... to bash them with 'white-guilt' and 'muh 6 gorillion' and the literal elimination and destruction of our DNA via corruption and trojan horse 'vaccines' to alter and destroy us from within - literal 'mark of the beast'. But I digress...
Adam was formed on the sixth day. The word used for man in Genesis 1 is the same Hebrew word that is later translated as Adam. An account of the creation by Yahweh of non-white man is not present in Genesis or anywhere else in the Bible. The more detailed account of Adam's creation, in Genesis 2, is simply extra information whose purpose is to give the reader some small understanding of the process. Think of it as an action replay, like when a goal kicked in a televised football game is shown in real time, then repeated in slow motion from several different angles and with commentary to give us a better idea of how it was set up.
Yep, that ^ was what I was taught/indoctrinated into also...
-And then I reconsidered and read it myself with the other context (men as trees, the beasts of the field bringing forth their young under THE tree (satan) who was in Eden) and I conclude that (the indoctrination) is a lie about the very start of creation and the actual enemy we are against - the literal seed of satan. It is ~ said that the world will look upon 'THE MAN' (satan in the flesh) and marvel to themselves: "is this the MAN who controlled the nations?" <- I haven't read that one for a while - so I have paraphrased it.
This "second account" (gen 2) of creation does not place the gen 1 account in the same order, in fact it contradicts it entirely (as stated) and if I know anything, it is that the ORDER of things represent their importance. When the 12 tribes were listed off in a certain order, it was for a reason, however this is not the tribes, this is the detailed creation of ADAM-kind vs man-kind, only ONE being was 'inspired' (breathed into) by God, his help mate was brought out of him (spirit inspired also) as there was NONE found suitable for Adam from all the 'beasts of the field' - (and this is very important - for the reasons I outlined, unless you/reader would think that God might temp Adam with bestiality). This validates that these BEASTS were man-kind and POSSIBLE mates for Adam (interbreed-able), however degenerate/mamser the offspring might have been.
A perfect people ABLE to commune with God - hence why when they sinned, the they could NOT have fellowship with God... EXCEPT for Cain! (again for the reasons I mentioned).
Plus, as asked (rhetorically); why did Adam violate God's law to "fill the earth" by staying in the garden? unless you connect the dots and see that 'man-kind' was never Adamite - and explains why the Gen 4 genealogy does not list any other Adamite males present (ie who were these people Cain was afraid of? ... perhaps a BUNCH OF GIRLS/WOMEN?
- I suggested it was the same man-kind from Christ's parable of the father with two sons (principle of first mention means it needs to be considered VERY strongly to be regarding Adam (with Cain and Abel).
This is ALL an interpolation/inferential thinking about the information within and without of the canonised Word that ALL points towards what I first attempted to post (in sequential order, but not exhaustively) - as I have said; it has been a long personal journey of foundational checking (myself) and not taking what others have TOLD ME as truth without very very careful scrutiny. I don't expect many (if any) to consider these points seriously, as most casual readers/skimmers would be too far-gone and or indoctrinated to actually think.
However there is hope for those who might read this on THIS forum.
However there is hope for those who might read this on THIS forum.
I'm guessing you tried to promote your ideas on other forums without success. People usually sign up at Finck's forum, to name one, before they make their way here because it has a lot more members and thus a bigger audience. In any event, you're probably not doing yourself any favors by implying that people in CI who don't believe as you do have been indoctrinated. That sort of attitude only leads to doctrinal bar room brawls. I warn of the perils of what I call hermeneutic heroism in this post: https://christianidentityaustralia.org/forum/general-discussion/are-you-a-hermeneutic-hero/#post-2
Well... you have not address the bulk of my points, or even seem to have registered them as a viable discussion/essay, nor have you looked into the reasoning or scripture I supplied (to back this up in my post); It does seem that you just chose a single point to object to, then refer me to a post about people who need to be medicated/were on a crusade thru christendom to gather followers... and you quoted my last comment (which, BTW was about the HIGHER chance of other readers considering these points ie "coming to reason together"; as most readers here (I assume) may be able to do so if they reject the main stream 'churchianity')
-No, I am not on a crusade, just looking for people to discuss and 'reason together with', not be burned on my first (engaged) post that offers some of my thoughts.
This is not the discussion or reasoning I was looking for and probably wont be back here again.
The problem is you don't want to discuss, you want to preach. And I have neither the time nor inclination to address your laundry list of points.
You're entitled to believe what you believe, but it would be wise to present your exegesis on your own website rather than barge in here, demanding to deliver a sermon the second you step through the church doors.